Curnan: You have had a long and storied career and you are not giving up. Where does your motivation come from?
Johnson: When I was in elementary school, it was during the days of segregation, I had great teachers. They instilled in us that we were equal and that we should strive to be the best that we could be and that we had to stand up for what was right.
In 1960, when I graduated from high school, the civil rights movement broke out in Savannah. I went away on active duty for two years and when I returned, I dove headlong into the fight for civil rights. I became one of the first, if not the first, to attend a previously segregated state school, Armstrong State College, then went on to the University of Georgia. That’s why I chose this as my life's work: battling prejudice and discrimination. I've been at it ever since, looking for different angles and different strategies to reduce the racism that I grew up with, and that we still live with today. That's what keeps me motivated.
This is a marathon, not a sprint. You have to look at the warriors from the past and take courage from the victories that they won. You have to be a part of the struggle. Frederick Douglass said that where there's no struggle, there's no progress and that power concedes nothing without a demand. Although we have a long way to go, when I look back, having been born in 1942 and look at what's happening in 2020, we have come miles and miles and miles and we've still got miles to go. Now it's the young people's time now to take the baton and go on to the next lap of this long race.
Curnan: How do you measure social impact when everything takes so long?
Johnson: Well, I use the little proverb about how you eat an elephant: one bite at a time. If you set out to take on an issue, you have to really analyze that issue and define your strategy for tackling that issue. You must set up measurable benchmarks along the way so that you can see whether you're having success in achieving your goal. And it is those little steps that you celebrate — it keeps your morale up because you can see the change coming. It won't be a revolution, it will be a transformation. If you’re clear on what it is you're trying to do — if you understand the contours of that elephant and you get a plan to eat it — then you take those bites and you celebrate and you drink some water and you get back into the fight renewed. That may sound simplistic, but it is my mental image.
Curnan: As you take on REAL (Racial Equity and Leadership) Savannah, the mayor's task force on racial justice, I’m sure the disparities that are being raised up by the pandemic are on your mind. How is it in Savannah right now, and how has it changed the work that you're going to be doing?
Johnson: This pandemic has really snatched the cover off of a lot of real serious problems in Savannah. We've been struggling with intergenerational poverty for decades. We have so many essential workers who must work in place and are more exposed, increasing the exposure of their families. What we're seeing in this country is the disproportionate number of people of color who are being infected by this disease. We are trying to lift that up and make people more aware of the dangers of that, also the fact that these most vulnerable people are keeping this economy going.
We're also looking at the fact that we need to come up with some viable alternatives to how we educate our children. The majority of our school district is African American, and we have problems with performance. Every day that they lose in terms of experiencing academic success sets them back and therefore increases the handicap that they will have to deal with for the rest of their lives. There are a lot of real issues that we're going to have to deal with in Savannah and in Chatham County.
In late November, as the Georgia Senate races headed to a January 5 run-off, Heller posed an additional question to Johnson:
Heller: Georgia has become a pivotal battleground in the latest election. Do you have a message for your fellow Georgians, as well as for Heller community members outside of Georgia?
Johnson: I would say that this extended part of the election is still a battle for the soul of America. The fate of the Senate rests right now with Georgia. And every person who will be 18 and over on January 5 needs to vote. They need to be concerned about the president, who will be Joe Biden in January, and his ability to do what he needs to do with his cabinet to address the critical issues that we face in this country. So my message to the people of Georgia is that this is the most important vote—in addition to voting for president—that the people of Georgia will cast in their lifetime.
The Heller community can help right now by contributing financially. The voter mobilization efforts are well underway in the state and so we don’t necessarily need people to come to Georgia, but to help finance what is going to be an extremely important voter turnout effort. And if the extended Heller family—anyone connected to Heller or Brandeis—knows anybody in Georgia, they need to make a personal call to that person and encourage him or her and their family, not to sit this one out.